"The game world itself is too big, too empty and too boring", and other stories about how sieges and capitals themselves ain't the saving grace.
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This is a game sold as PvP focused and player driven. How you guys think that jives with WoW-esque content is beyond me.
No one says that caps and seiges are a saving grace. This entire thread was based upon a false premise.
So far I've read proposals that revamp the game to a clone of other games, drop everything but the build mode, and then want the game to play itself for you.
It's like watching people promote duty officer mechanics in STO all over again. Literally a few button clicks and a timer. How is that fun? And yes I will shame anyone who thinks waiting on a timer is fun.
I also don't get why you think forcing people to need to log in daily is a desirable trait. I go to work every day. Like hell am I making any game that sort of a priority. Make the game fun, not a job. Seeing so many people looking for a second job in games.
This is a one time buy game. There is literally no incentive for the devs to gear this game towards making you log in daily.
No one says that caps and seiges are a saving grace. This entire thread was based upon a false premise.
So far I've read proposals that revamp the game to a clone of other games, drop everything but the build mode, and then want the game to play itself for you.
It's like watching people promote duty officer mechanics in STO all over again. Literally a few button clicks and a timer. How is that fun? And yes I will shame anyone who thinks waiting on a timer is fun.
I also don't get why you think forcing people to need to log in daily is a desirable trait. I go to work every day. Like hell am I making any game that sort of a priority. Make the game fun, not a job. Seeing so many people looking for a second job in games.
This is a one time buy game. There is literally no incentive for the devs to gear this game towards making you log in daily.
I'm going to dump a couple of kilos of pure NaCl on this before trying to look at it, because I assume no sane human would comprehend "we want more pve content" as "I want the game to play itself". We (okay, I- can't speak for others) really do not want anything similar to "the game plays itself" - and I don't see how PvE could be interpreted as such, either.
Can't speak on this since I've never tried STO, I apologize if this is an important argument.
That is correct! People should be able to hop in onto Starbase at some point during their busy lives and ALWAYS have something to do! I am so glad we have finally come to an agreement, my dear friend! This is great. I'm glad that we can both agree that you should just be able to jump in and always have stuff to do. Like group up with a friend or two and then go shoot up a local Rogue Drone nest. Or maybe if the local Progenitor Mine is open, you could go try to score some loot, either on your own or with a couple people you found? Hell, if it just closed, you could go to the nearest big station and buy up some of the materials. You can sell them off later during the day for a small profit, as the cheapest sell offers will be gone by then.
Isn't that good? You can hop on any time and have something that you can do that would let you interact with others in various ways. Team up, shoot things, build things, manipulate markets! Fun for everyone, anytime they want, without a necessity for other players to be there to create content. After all, the Rogue Drones won't get upset if you shoot them at 2am, or at 6 in the morning, or at 4 in the evening, because they really don't care. They're just happy you can relieve them of being alive, whenever your schedule allows you to do so.
Can't speak on this since I've never tried STO, I apologize if this is an important argument.
That is correct! People should be able to hop in onto Starbase at some point during their busy lives and ALWAYS have something to do! I am so glad we have finally come to an agreement, my dear friend! This is great. I'm glad that we can both agree that you should just be able to jump in and always have stuff to do. Like group up with a friend or two and then go shoot up a local Rogue Drone nest. Or maybe if the local Progenitor Mine is open, you could go try to score some loot, either on your own or with a couple people you found? Hell, if it just closed, you could go to the nearest big station and buy up some of the materials. You can sell them off later during the day for a small profit, as the cheapest sell offers will be gone by then.
Isn't that good? You can hop on any time and have something that you can do that would let you interact with others in various ways. Team up, shoot things, build things, manipulate markets! Fun for everyone, anytime they want, without a necessity for other players to be there to create content. After all, the Rogue Drones won't get upset if you shoot them at 2am, or at 6 in the morning, or at 4 in the evening, because they really don't care. They're just happy you can relieve them of being alive, whenever your schedule allows you to do so.
This means you haven't played the game or are inattentively reading what I'm writing.
Again, this means that you haven't played the game. Try to develop, at least, a simple navigation system or calculate Sin (13) on a Basic chip and you will understand everything. YOLOL is a marker that tells newcomers: "don't come here, go to Eve Online or ED" (where all management is reduced to ASWD + LMB, and there is no engineering as a class, so just mine and trade, and fight as you earn... end of the algorithm). Many people are attracted by its simplicity and lack of need to develop something. Play with these projects, maybe they will suit you better.
That's right. I don't understand your sarcasm. We really like it. We like to take risks, because there can be no adventures without risk. What is the risk if you can return everything without loss at any time? Or pay for the ore, which you can dig up in 2 days as much as you need. In general, I have said everything, I don't want to repeat myself.
Again, this means that you haven't played the game. Try to develop, at least, a simple navigation system or calculate Sin (13) on a Basic chip and you will understand everything. YOLOL is a marker that tells newcomers: "don't come here, go to Eve Online or ED" (where all management is reduced to ASWD + LMB, and there is no engineering as a class, so just mine and trade, and fight as you earn... end of the algorithm). Many people are attracted by its simplicity and lack of need to develop something. Play with these projects, maybe they will suit you better.
That's right. I don't understand your sarcasm. We really like it. We like to take risks, because there can be no adventures without risk. What is the risk if you can return everything without loss at any time? Or pay for the ore, which you can dig up in 2 days as much as you need. In general, I have said everything, I don't want to repeat myself.
Any game will repel someone, and attract someone. It all depends on the size of the community. There are games with a potentially large community, and there are games with a potentially small community. In terms of size, these are different markets. Absolutely. So the popular space "simulators" have already taken the main market with a large community for today. I think it's useless to argue here. There is a small community of more serious players who are waiting for more hardcore gameplay. And here the main mistake would be to believe that you need to bend towards a large community (the main market) trying to lure players from there to this project. In fact, it is necessary not to listen to anyone and change, you need to build your own line. The game, no matter how hardcore it is, will find its fans in any case. But as soon as the developers begin to bend under the players trying to please everyone in order to earn more money (greed), then this is the first bell that it is better not to enter the project, because this will soon become a decoupling.
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Digging into a niche of nerds as your audience for an MMO is a risky idea since you're betting on those nerds filling your world - especially if you guys so stubbornly refute ideas of PvE elements - so what one may end up with is an empty world filled with a playerbase too small for the space they have. I think that YOLOL's simplicity is a restriction for creators and a blessing for devs; The former have more limits within which to shine their giga brains, the latter have less "oh god the player isn't supposed to be able to do that" moments (if you say that the devs shouldn't care about people do with their systems, they did remove attplates just as people started abusing them out of their "intended" use and we have yet to get a replacement)
This is a very very bad idea and I wrote about it. Because it will be impossible to intercept such ships. This will only be a way to evade pvp. Pvp is the main content of the MMO.
If you offer something, it should not break the pvp. If you propose to do a "cruise" With high speed, then suggest how to intercept such ships. People should not lose pvp content because someone wants to fly fast.
If you offer something, it should not break the pvp. If you propose to do a "cruise" With high speed, then suggest how to intercept such ships. People should not lose pvp content because someone wants to fly fast.
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On the topic of speed I really like the travel gates in Freelancer (seen in tons of other scifi too, even Cowboy Bebop!) for that kind of thing, gates which accelerate you towards the next gate, but you need a chain of them from A to B and if one on the route gets shot up enough it disrupts the chain there (so travelling ships drop out and have to either fight the pirates or rush to the next gate). You can only enter the chain at a gate, but you can drop out at will.
It bottlenecks travel to routes which is better for pirates, but it's faster so it's better for any travellers too. The current way gate travel works is pretty non-interactive, and a change like that would still allow players to avoid trouble if they really wanted by simply abandoning the trip, turning around and going back through the last undisrupted gate (which would work the same as it is now).
It bottlenecks travel to routes which is better for pirates, but it's faster so it's better for any travellers too. The current way gate travel works is pretty non-interactive, and a change like that would still allow players to avoid trouble if they really wanted by simply abandoning the trip, turning around and going back through the last undisrupted gate (which would work the same as it is now).
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Don't forget that:
- You need stations before you even have the opportunity to build a capital.
- Stations are vastly easier to setup with the material requirements.
- Stations may or may not get exclusive functionality, such as high-efficiency refining and smelting that capitals might not get.
- Capitals do not have conventional movement, meaning they cannot transport goods to and from stations, and also won't be able to enter the atmosphere.
- Capital cannot use gate travel meaning they cannot quickly transport goods between gate-connected areas.
The very idea that someone would think its cheaper to run a capital that is like 3-4 magnitudes heavier than the largest conventional ship is silly.
- You need stations before you even have the opportunity to build a capital.
- Stations are vastly easier to setup with the material requirements.
- Stations may or may not get exclusive functionality, such as high-efficiency refining and smelting that capitals might not get.
- Capitals do not have conventional movement, meaning they cannot transport goods to and from stations, and also won't be able to enter the atmosphere.
- Capital cannot use gate travel meaning they cannot quickly transport goods between gate-connected areas.
The very idea that someone would think its cheaper to run a capital that is like 3-4 magnitudes heavier than the largest conventional ship is silly.