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How to make the game more real-world friendly
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Guys guess what, another game that has been successful for over 20 years has ALREADY FIGURED THIS OUT! Crazy right? we don't need to reinvent the wheel on this one!! Woohoo!
30 seconds or 1 minute log off timer, (or whatever tf you want it to be) then your ship warps off into oblivion. Problem solved! Yay!
If salvagers/pirates want to cry over not being able to take someone's ship who is afk, that's their problem. Get gooder
30 seconds or 1 minute log off timer, (or whatever tf you want it to be) then your ship warps off into oblivion. Problem solved! Yay!
If salvagers/pirates want to cry over not being able to take someone's ship who is afk, that's their problem. Get gooder
Stop justifying the introduction of your proposed mechanics. There is no lore or narrative in the game.
It's been explained to you 100 times already that this is a delusional idea that will abuzz and kill the game.
Are you just trolling us? Are you trying to make us angry and provoke conflict?
There is nothing wrong with blowing up/robbing an AFK ship. Players who do it are the good ones. You have no evidence that this activity makes players bad. Stop insulting people here.
Stop provoking conflict here. Behave yourself culturally
You probably haven't seen the measly 3000 online in Elite Dangerous. The game is absolutely broken by the mechanics you suggest here. You look like a troll who's come to piss people off.
It's been explained to you 100 times already that this is a delusional idea that will abuzz and kill the game.
Are you just trolling us? Are you trying to make us angry and provoke conflict?
There is nothing wrong with blowing up/robbing an AFK ship. Players who do it are the good ones. You have no evidence that this activity makes players bad. Stop insulting people here.
Stop provoking conflict here. Behave yourself culturally
You probably haven't seen the measly 3000 online in Elite Dangerous. The game is absolutely broken by the mechanics you suggest here. You look like a troll who's come to piss people off.
It's true that due to the cruel rule of SB we cant quit easily when playing.
You may need to plan your tour before playing SB in a day.
That's kinda bad point for a game that often take hours to get to another station of your friends by even max speed.
And if you quit or disconnect accident, Uwill face another thing I mention below.
There is another problem among my people:
We often find us far from our ship when we reconnected after a disconnection by any reason.
This is fine if your transponder is open or ur inside the SZ.
But we usually not in the SZ and wont keep transponders opening.
This often lead to ship losing and nobody did anything wrong.
This is mainly due to the Internet I guess and I hope FB can do something with it by some new features.
You may need to plan your tour before playing SB in a day.
That's kinda bad point for a game that often take hours to get to another station of your friends by even max speed.
And if you quit or disconnect accident, Uwill face another thing I mention below.
There is another problem among my people:
We often find us far from our ship when we reconnected after a disconnection by any reason.
This is fine if your transponder is open or ur inside the SZ.
But we usually not in the SZ and wont keep transponders opening.
This often lead to ship losing and nobody did anything wrong.
This is mainly due to the Internet I guess and I hope FB can do something with it by some new features.
If there is no gravity, you won't be far from the ship when you restart the game - it will be in range.
The problem can only occur where there is gravity. I think just need to move the warp gate away from the moon, change the gravity in that area. no other "exit mechanics" are needed, as they will be 100% abusive.
The problem can only occur where there is gravity. I think just need to move the warp gate away from the moon, change the gravity in that area. no other "exit mechanics" are needed, as they will be 100% abusive.
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PVP - is player versus player! Not "player versus empty ship"!
In my model the attacked ship can not avoid PVP if trageted by jamming device. Taking damage from weapons also starts the PVP-mode. So if you are outside the SZ and you got in a fight - you can not get out by any abusive ways. You have to win or at least get yo the SZ. Seriously, I'm not a game-dev. I do not see any ways to abuse the meachanics that I have suggested.
In my model the attacked ship can not avoid PVP if trageted by jamming device. Taking damage from weapons also starts the PVP-mode. So if you are outside the SZ and you got in a fight - you can not get out by any abusive ways. You have to win or at least get yo the SZ. Seriously, I'm not a game-dev. I do not see any ways to abuse the meachanics that I have suggested.
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That was my first thought. But I just wanted to improve the idea a bit. Imagine a rare situation. You persute a ship. It goes offline 10-30 seconds before you catch it. So i came up to a longer despawn-timer period idea. And the other problem - you win a fight. Your opnent log out. You get no loot. So that's how i came to "partialy aboandoned ships" and despawn jamming on weapon-delt damage or despawn-jammer action. I wanted to satisfy the pirates. 
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- Robbing an AFK ship does not make the player bad. Damn, i robbed a couple of those myself!
It makes the GAME not as good as it could be. The ones who rob get reward for no risk. That's not as satisfying as getting a trophy in a fight. The ones who are robed just find their ship destroyed. They get penalty just for not playing the game. Both things are wrong.
And my jammer device concept is not like "duel invitations" in other MMO-games. If you are shot at or jammed - that's it. YOU CAN NOT despawn or refuse to accept the fight whatsoever.
It makes the GAME not as good as it could be. The ones who rob get reward for no risk. That's not as satisfying as getting a trophy in a fight. The ones who are robed just find their ship destroyed. They get penalty just for not playing the game. Both things are wrong.
And my jammer device concept is not like "duel invitations" in other MMO-games. If you are shot at or jammed - that's it. YOU CAN NOT despawn or refuse to accept the fight whatsoever.
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- I like this idea! As I see it, the cube should have a charge that is used for doing station-stuff. Like transponding, storing items, keeping up the safe-zone and so on. Once it runes out of power it explodes, in a flash (like the ones you often see int the belt) and all the goodies are just hanging in the area of explosion like a cloud. Building ymirium-consuming solar panels will be the only way to make the station eternal and not maintainance-damanding.
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- I'm not against risc as such. I just don't like the risk to depend on out-of-game situations. The longer you are offline - the greater is the risk... I don't think the time offline should influence the game in this way.
Being robbed by pirates - that's ok.
Smash my ship into a space-rock - fine! I bought the game for this.
Log out, go away for some days and find my ship taken apart - that's wrong. Because there is no ingame explanation for this.
I'm a very lore-sesetive player. Having robots disppear to nowhere and leaving their stuff in space for no reason kinda kills the immersion for me.
Being robbed by pirates - that's ok.
Smash my ship into a space-rock - fine! I bought the game for this.
Log out, go away for some days and find my ship taken apart - that's wrong. Because there is no ingame explanation for this.
I'm a very lore-sesetive player. Having robots disppear to nowhere and leaving their stuff in space for no reason kinda kills the immersion for me.
A player against another player is always pvp.
It doesn't matter if his ship is empty. it makes no difference if the other player can defend himself. if he can't, it's his own fault, he didn't prepare. a miner can be made armoured and armed. to cover the generator bay with three layers of armour and add some guns you use a weight comparable to 20 crates of heavy ore. and on a truck, on average, 500 crates. so what are we talking about...?
Robbing an AFK ship doesn't make the game worse.
It makes the game better. It makes players think about how to hide their ship. And if they didn't think hard enough, chances are they will get robbed. Some of them just go out for a beer. It's possible to get robbed. It improves the gameplay.
It's been explained to you 100 times already that your proposed idea kills adequate gameplay. When are you going to stop flubbing in here?
And what makes you think it's a risk-free reward?
Who's stopping you from making a bait ship and then killing the robber? The robber risks being killed and losing his ship every second. To rob someone, you have to spend time outside the ship.
Do you realise that capital ships will violate the stations' safe zone even when you are asleep and destroy all the ships parked at this station?? Read the game description on Steam and realise it's a completely destructible universe. The developers have stated this.
Stop your vine.
..who says it's wrong?
No one is forcing you into this game.
It doesn't matter if his ship is empty. it makes no difference if the other player can defend himself. if he can't, it's his own fault, he didn't prepare. a miner can be made armoured and armed. to cover the generator bay with three layers of armour and add some guns you use a weight comparable to 20 crates of heavy ore. and on a truck, on average, 500 crates. so what are we talking about...?
Robbing an AFK ship doesn't make the game worse.
It makes the game better. It makes players think about how to hide their ship. And if they didn't think hard enough, chances are they will get robbed. Some of them just go out for a beer. It's possible to get robbed. It improves the gameplay.
It's been explained to you 100 times already that your proposed idea kills adequate gameplay. When are you going to stop flubbing in here?
And what makes you think it's a risk-free reward?
Who's stopping you from making a bait ship and then killing the robber? The robber risks being killed and losing his ship every second. To rob someone, you have to spend time outside the ship.
Do you realise that capital ships will violate the stations' safe zone even when you are asleep and destroy all the ships parked at this station?? Read the game description on Steam and realise it's a completely destructible universe. The developers have stated this.
Stop your vine.
..who says it's wrong?
No one is forcing you into this game.
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By empty ship I mean a ship, with owner offline. If the players is just outside - that's complitely OK. If the owner is offline it's not PVP. It's PVE (player versus empty) or player versus nonone.
If you break into Mike Tyson's house while he is away, take the champion's belt and get away - you can not say "I've beaten Tyson, he was unprepaired. The belt is rightfully mine! Im the Champion now!". For exactly the same reason you can not call looting an AFK ship PVP.
"It makes players think about how to hide their ship. And if they didn't think hard enough, chances are they will get robbed. " - Wasn't it you who complained about station cubes hanging all around? It's space, man! How can one think of hiding better or worse? You just fly to the desnsiest dust-cloud and the rest is pure random.
To rob someone, you have to spend time outside the ship. - That's almost zero risc compared to a ship fight.
Who's stopping you from making a bait ship and then killing the robber? - My mortality and physiology. Even with a transponder on I will have to wait for several hours or even a day
who says it's wrong? - I do. You can agree or not.
Do you realise that capital ships will violate the stations' safe zone even when you are asleep and destroy all the ships parked at this station?? - The siedge mechanics is in progress. And the destrucion of parked ships with the station is fair. Because it has ingame explanation and can be avoinded by planning and player cooperation.
If you break into Mike Tyson's house while he is away, take the champion's belt and get away - you can not say "I've beaten Tyson, he was unprepaired. The belt is rightfully mine! Im the Champion now!". For exactly the same reason you can not call looting an AFK ship PVP.
"It makes players think about how to hide their ship. And if they didn't think hard enough, chances are they will get robbed. " - Wasn't it you who complained about station cubes hanging all around? It's space, man! How can one think of hiding better or worse? You just fly to the desnsiest dust-cloud and the rest is pure random.
To rob someone, you have to spend time outside the ship. - That's almost zero risc compared to a ship fight.
Who's stopping you from making a bait ship and then killing the robber? - My mortality and physiology. Even with a transponder on I will have to wait for several hours or even a day
who says it's wrong? - I do. You can agree or not.
Do you realise that capital ships will violate the stations' safe zone even when you are asleep and destroy all the ships parked at this station?? - The siedge mechanics is in progress. And the destrucion of parked ships with the station is fair. Because it has ingame explanation and can be avoinded by planning and player cooperation.
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Invincible armor that can leave only the capital ship, the ship! Well, I don't think anyone like you can understand, but for a huge ship, if this ship is easily stolen, tens of hours of work will quickly return to zero. Especially those who are new to the game are more likely to die and end the game if they don't have a ship, no ore, or can't afford a ship. Also, why not mine ore? However, there is no such mining vessel. Because you steal or destroy. Therefore, it is desirable that another person's ship is not stolen.
anton_stezhkin
I can see that trying to explain it to you is a waste of time.
You're littering the forum and trolling, begging for mechanics that are destructive to MMOs.
make sure they don't steal from you and destroy you. others can. but you can't?
If you remove the ability to loot AFK ships, many players will leave the game. and other players won't buy the game and won't come to it at all.
Starbase is a hardcore game for smart people. If you want to make Starbase into another game for casuals, then the game will die.
I can see that trying to explain it to you is a waste of time.
You're littering the forum and trolling, begging for mechanics that are destructive to MMOs.
make sure they don't steal from you and destroy you. others can. but you can't?
If you remove the ability to loot AFK ships, many players will leave the game. and other players won't buy the game and won't come to it at all.
Starbase is a hardcore game for smart people. If you want to make Starbase into another game for casuals, then the game will die.
Put it out of sight, i.e. a bit inside a dust cloud.
Hell, even stations with their now glowing safe zone don't pop inside a cloud until you are 3 or 2 km of it and ships' visibility inside a cloud is probably more akin to 500m (if even).
And now lets think about what that means when you are 50km, 100km and 150 km away from the origin stations:
A 8km^3 area compared to 2.500, 10.000 or 22.500km^3 corresponds to 8/2500=0,32% (0,32%/4 and 0,32%/9)
Unless you are on the most commonly travelled route/coordinates... is it likely that someone is even in the area where you are? How often do you park in the open and absolutely nothing happens?
Now with 500m
2km/500m = 4, 4^3= 64, so 0,32%/64=0,005%
How low do you want your risk to be, please?
And if that is not your cup of tea, because you fly outside the belt:
fly just 10 km away from the belt and noone will come close enough to see you.
Hell, even stations with their now glowing safe zone don't pop inside a cloud until you are 3 or 2 km of it and ships' visibility inside a cloud is probably more akin to 500m (if even).
And now lets think about what that means when you are 50km, 100km and 150 km away from the origin stations:
A 8km^3 area compared to 2.500, 10.000 or 22.500km^3 corresponds to 8/2500=0,32% (0,32%/4 and 0,32%/9)
Unless you are on the most commonly travelled route/coordinates... is it likely that someone is even in the area where you are? How often do you park in the open and absolutely nothing happens?
Now with 500m
2km/500m = 4, 4^3= 64, so 0,32%/64=0,005%
How low do you want your risk to be, please?
And if that is not your cup of tea, because you fly outside the belt:
fly just 10 km away from the belt and noone will come close enough to see you.