SZ too profitable
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This game is more based on creativity and less on PvP in my opinion. And also, most Full-loot PvP MMORPGs fail quickly, we need a safe spot to bring our stuff back to. And civillian capital ships safe zone will be tiny, and pretty much any ship outside of it is fair game, it cant jump into the belt, and you can only launch a ship from it every 5 or so minutes i think
It is full loot PvP mmorpgs that were the most sucessfull and made way for other mmorpgs.
Ultima online, Tibia,EVE online all these precursors of MMORPG were ful loot pvp oriented games that alowed for things that are nowdays called "griefing" that is pretty much player driven diplomacy and peer-policing.
Only AFTEr they were sucesfull casual crowd came in en-masse demanding safe spaces , language policing and all other mommy-keep-you-safe-my-baby stuff.
PS: i find it golden that yo uhave ruber duck as your avatar in this circumstance.
Ultima online, Tibia,EVE online all these precursors of MMORPG were ful loot pvp oriented games that alowed for things that are nowdays called "griefing" that is pretty much player driven diplomacy and peer-policing.
Only AFTEr they were sucesfull casual crowd came in en-masse demanding safe spaces , language policing and all other mommy-keep-you-safe-my-baby stuff.
PS: i find it golden that yo uhave ruber duck as your avatar in this circumstance.
I hadn't even thought about the clf ships but they should be considered the next step for new players, similiar to mining lasers. Once you get some money to buy a ship with mining lasers or clf there's plenty of profit for you like 50 km out. There needs to be some progression to get players to move along and out of the safezone so they can start making the big bucks. If you allow clf ships to do their thing in safezone the problem remains it just shifts all of the safezone mega miners to use clf instead of mining lasers.
The point about "going all the way out to Zond 4 to sift through Bastium rocks looking for the Good Stuff" is well made. Even when the demand for the higher Tier ore picks up enough to get the prices out of the toilet, that will be a dampener on the incentive to trek all the way out there (or back to market).
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I dont believe this game is more creativity if that was the case we would see a creativity system more along the lines of Dual universe were they are clearly focused on Creating and building more than anything else.
The game tries to incorporate many aspects into one game so that all players can find their niche. Although the game is requires some development before the other niches can be realised.
The current game is fine the origin station safe zone is good as well as it gives new players the ability to learn before getting thrown into a harsh environment where the smallest mistake could cost you hours of repair or even your entire ship.
We just need to be careful not to lean to hard into one side or risk losing the other entirely.
A perfect example of over compensating was the extension of SZ around the moon warp gate. There was good clean natural PVP without causing a game stopping issue that forces everyone to go through or partake. All the ore in the green belt was attainable in blue belt except for Ymrium which is a pain to look for anyway.
I made the trip from my green belt station to Origin multiple times a day and with some common sense anyone could avoid getting shot down by having a quick look around and jumping back if things looked hairy.
Im enjoy all aspects of the game and wouldn't consider myself an active PVPer but anything without risk gets boring quickly and also should not be more profitable than something with a lot of risk.
SZ roids should be bite sized they should be smaller as to not encourage laser spam shell mining as well as the core ore should be one pickaxe swings worth.
The game tries to incorporate many aspects into one game so that all players can find their niche. Although the game is requires some development before the other niches can be realised.
The current game is fine the origin station safe zone is good as well as it gives new players the ability to learn before getting thrown into a harsh environment where the smallest mistake could cost you hours of repair or even your entire ship.
We just need to be careful not to lean to hard into one side or risk losing the other entirely.
A perfect example of over compensating was the extension of SZ around the moon warp gate. There was good clean natural PVP without causing a game stopping issue that forces everyone to go through or partake. All the ore in the green belt was attainable in blue belt except for Ymrium which is a pain to look for anyway.
I made the trip from my green belt station to Origin multiple times a day and with some common sense anyone could avoid getting shot down by having a quick look around and jumping back if things looked hairy.
Im enjoy all aspects of the game and wouldn't consider myself an active PVPer but anything without risk gets boring quickly and also should not be more profitable than something with a lot of risk.
SZ roids should be bite sized they should be smaller as to not encourage laser spam shell mining as well as the core ore should be one pickaxe swings worth.
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I get what you mean, to me dual universe limits creativity so much and in starbase I often question “how to make this” not “is it possible to make this” I get what you mean, I personally think they should make charodium an outside sz material, as you craft your first benches you can experience danger. And to encourage farther travel make unlocking the crafting of fuel earlier on in the tech tree.
Making an element of T1 engines "AH only" for those who don't want to PvP is taking things too far, IMO. Should be able to build T1 things without heading to the Black. TBH, there are a load of components (last time I looked, and I've not noticed any Patch Notes changing things) which really shouldn't need anything more than T1 ores, but, for some reason, possibly related to CA material availability, do.
How about spawning Valkite and Ajatite ore only in SZ? I guess that will be good balance.
Anyway, SZ perimeter is huge. There is not so much PVP danger (because you can quit SZ in 80km from origin, for ex.), so miners will only think about ore bumping/crushing (Yes, it's possible to be robbed by pirate, but that will be very rare %).
The profit from selling to NPC Ajatite and Valkite will be enough to buy another newbie ship and go outside of SZ for more expensive ore.
I think that's a good idea. Eh?
Anyway, SZ perimeter is huge. There is not so much PVP danger (because you can quit SZ in 80km from origin, for ex.), so miners will only think about ore bumping/crushing (Yes, it's possible to be robbed by pirate, but that will be very rare %).
The profit from selling to NPC Ajatite and Valkite will be enough to buy another newbie ship and go outside of SZ for more expensive ore.
I think that's a good idea. Eh?
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It’s not pvp focused, it’s a creativity and building game, with decorative structures. Pvp is a mechanic, but not the main one, you can be miner or a hauler, a builder, a factory maker. It’s not bad that you have to be in the open, it adds fear, which is fun. Im saying that non pvp players do access pvp, and nobody truley plays off the auction house
"...PvP is the core of the game...". It's an almost direct quote from LauriB.
Right now there's not much PvP going on, but it's the main purpose that the devs have in mind for the game and at the centre of their design decisions. Always remember that the game is still feature-incomplete when you make assertions about what it is, or is not.
Right now there's not much PvP going on, but it's the main purpose that the devs have in mind for the game and at the centre of their design decisions. Always remember that the game is still feature-incomplete when you make assertions about what it is, or is not.