Capital Ships FAQ

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Capital Ships FAQ

How much does it cost to build a Capital Ship?
Capital Ships are expensive and will require a lot of materials. However they also come in various sizes. We estimate Capital Ships will be at least 10x more expensive than stations (maybe even more).

Warp charge up time
Warp will charge up server-side, meaning that players do not need to be present for the charging process. (Some limitation may be added later so at least one member of the Capital Ship crew must be present, but right now this is not a requirement.)

Warp distances
Several thousand kilometers at least, with larger ships even to closest moons.

Warp warning to defending station
Both attacker and defender will receive the same warning of impending warp. Defending station (or other Capital Ship) will get a warning and timeframe instantly when the attacking Military Capital Ship has set its course and is charging up (which may take 48-72 hours).

What's the development status of Capital Ships?
Capital Ships are in active development and goal is to make available close to Early Access release.

Joining a war zone
Players do not need to be present for the chargeup/warning time. Players on both sides can log in just minutes or even seconds before the warp is initiated, and they will be able to warp with the ship. Defenders on the other hand can join just seconds before the warping Military Capital Ship arrives.

Once a Military Capital Ship has locked warp and the countdown has started, the war zone is "locked" and civilian ships are prevented from entering the zone. Other military ships or Military Capital Ships can enter or warp to the zone, however. There will most likely be "outside" groups like salvage teams on the outskirts of the war zone.

Civilian Capital Ships vs. Military Capital Ships
Capital Ships come in two models: Civilian and Military. Civilian Capital Ships have a permanent safezone (shield) that cannot be penetrated by aggressors. It cannot be taken down. Trying to warp to one will not work.

Military Capital Ships have a dynamic safezone (shield) that will go down if a similarly strong Military Capital Ship warps to the same location. Their safezones cancel each other out.

What about using Civilian Capital Ship in war?
Civilian Capital Ships will have limitations - for example, they may not be able to send out more ships than a handful within a certain time (like one per five minutes).

Civilian Capital Ships can be used for mining and as a "homebase" for safe gaming. However, ships that leave the Capital Ship's safezone are vulnerable and can be attacked by others.

Civilian Capital Ships cannot warp to a war zone - however they can warp nearby, and then use smaller ships to venture out (for e.g. salvage).

The war zone is also going to be quite large - using Civilian Capital Ships for military purposes will be quite inefficient due to the general limitations and the size of the war zone.

What happens after battle?
Once a battle is finished - meaning one of the Capital Ships (or station) is destroyed or conquered, its safezone will return with a time. The time will most likely depend on the time the safezone was disabled (i.e. how long the battle lasted).

How will Capital Ships choose where to warp?
This will be decided and announced later.

Siege mechanics in more detail
We will have a separate Siege mechanics video at a later date.
 
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With the civilian capital ship's safezone, can anyone "tag along" for a jump (assuming you leave the hangars open) or do they need to be a part of your group etc?
 

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With the civilian capital ship's safezone, can anyone "tag along" for a jump (assuming you leave the hangars open) or do they need to be a part of your group etc?
AFAIK the safezone acts as a shield/barrier and can be configured to not allow non-grouped members, for example. I suppose it can also be configured to allow anybody.

surround your station with Civilian Capital Ships and you cant be attacked?
Hah good question. This is related to multiple mechanics such as siege, so we'll probably decide/announce later.

my question is, WHY?
I've got some info from Lauri:
1) Civilian Capital Ships will have a pretty lax "warp window", so basically warp at your leisure pressing a button.

2) Military Capital Ships however have a very tight warp window, e.g. 10 minutes or so, after which the ship will warp if the player didn't press a button. These will be revised once they are in the game and we see how they all work, but with Military Capital Ships we want to make warping "fair" to both parties - the defenders will get the information of the time and can prepare accordingly.
 
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Quick question. will we be able to design and build the capital ships from scratch?

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Second Question: I heard stations with dynamic safezone for combat. does this mean we could build defense stations filled with weaponry. like defense stations. Like the star wars golan III platform
 
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We'll have a Siege Mechanics feature video at a later date that will explain more of the intricacies of Capital Ships and the Military/Civilian use. Defense stations with station weapons is also something that will have more answers in the near future.

But yes Capital Ships can be designed from scratch as far as I know.
 

Captain-General Kitten

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also will there be a max size for capital ships. as we in my faction kinda want to build ships on a 1 to 1 scale somehow. xD so for example will it be like a max length of like 8 kilometer or will we be able to go as large as we want. as we want to build the phalanx which is much bigger then one of the biggest battleships in 40k. which is 8Kilometers long ;p
 

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With civilian capital ships being indestructible and movable home bases, what reason is there for players to build stations at all, apart from a possible cost factor?
Cost. They stated that capital ships will be between 10 and 1000 times more costly for the same size. That's like saying 'if I could get a Rolls Royce limo, why would I ever buy a Honda?'
 

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Cost. They stated that capital ships will be between 10 and 1000 times more costly for the same size. That's like saying 'if I could get a Rolls Royce limo, why would I ever buy a Honda?'
Right, that's why I said apart from the cost factor.
As I see it right now, if you pay a bit more, you can essentially get a permanent, indestructible and movable station instead of a vulnerable static one.
Is that correct?
 

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Awesome!
> "And you cant use a civilian capital ship to go somewhere inside the asteroid belt"
What about a military one? If this is to prevent easy mining, can't you just load a Mil-CS with miner ships?

Overall it sounds like Civ CS are ripe for military abuse with their indestructable safezone. Also if any solo can make their Civ CS, it should be easy for anyone (especially big groups) to scatter endless safezones around wherever it's beneficial. Spread them around one's station to become insiegeable.

Also, economically speaking, since CivCS is indestructable, permanent and affordable for solos, they sound like they are easily affected by inflation in value, to the point one can casually gift a dozen CivCS to newbies.

Can a Mil CS warp next to another Mil CS to "siege" a Capital Ship in open space rather than a station?

Is there a size limit to stations greater than Civ Ships? Is it possible for a station to arrive at a size where it's literally impossible for a Mil-CS to be big enough to siege?

Is there ever any point to owning a station lot once you can afford a CivCS?

The scale and concept of this is very cool, but I fear Civilian Capital Ships specifically provide way too many options for their 100% permanent invulnerability anywhere in space.
 
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the more i think about this the more i believe this kills this game. the best game play will be at the start without these ships around, but when they become more common this will suck. no risk movable ships... this is supposed to be starBASE, not starship!
 
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Major red flags:
  • Why maintain a station when a civilian capital ship is permanently invulnerable?
  • How do we stop civilian capital ship inflation since they can never be removed from the world?
  • How do we stop aggressors from having an invulnerable home base behind enemy lines?
  • Are military capital ships the only way to siege? If it has to be the same size as the station you're attacking and costs 10x as much, then aggressors have to front 10x the cost of a station to attack? That's in addition to the actual fleet that does the fighting.
  • How do you stop civilian capitals from becoming an invulnerable bridge over time?
  • How do we move our players with the capital ship? Even if everyone was in the same time zone there's no way you can get 100% of your players on at the same time for the warp. Every time you move you'll be shedding off players into space.
 
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Warp distances
Current numbers for warp minimum distance is 5,000 km and maximum is 50,000 km.
What's the reasoning behind the minimum warp distance? It seems much higher than most distances players would travel in the belt, and would probably just end up with people warping twice to get to wherever they want. EDIT: Question was about outdated info, so it's now irrelevant.

Once a Military Capital Ship has locked warp and the countdown has started, the war zone is "locked" and civilian ships are prevented from entering the zone.
Does this also lock the warp time for the military capital ship or will the owner be able to cancel the charge up? (which would result in fake warnings)
 
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possibly passive income, recruitment, resupply stations. Unless you will be able to build ships on capital ships. I do agree with you xD
And I also think that capital ships shall be built on specialized stations. And only on them.
Maybe unique resources from certain moons will give uniquie benefits to capital ships.
 

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With civilian capital ships being indestructible and movable home bases, what reason is there for players to build stations at all, apart from a possible cost factor?
with a station there is no all endos have to be present or will be left behind in case of Warp Jump problem
just imagine someone can't make it to the jump and will be left 36000km behind... (just let me say this, I flew to 2 moons and it's not exactly fun to get up at 4 am to change the rods and adjust the prop tanks and stuff and not once, but for days^^)
as long as there is no attach Endo to jumping ship that could pose a slight problem, one you wouldn't have with a station


surround your station with Civilian Capital Ships and you cant be attacked?
why would you even bother?
when CivCSs are so much more expensive compared to a station, you could literally have hundreds of reserve stations in case of one being attacked
also, the CivCSs are less vulnerable then the station in the first place, and when you have so many of those to build a literall wall around a station, you would have so many resources that one station shouldn't matter (except for symbolic value)
only problem I see is CivCSs interfering with Combat zones, maybe they will be pushed away (like automatically evade combat zones) or some other mechanic will be triggered
I just hope they can't be used as a shield to prevent combat zones from being created because of them being parked at points of interest
 
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