Time To Kill - My Biggest Starbase Concern
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here is a data dump from discord
LauriFBToday at 2:54 PM
we will release unedited footages from our latest combat tests also, but those tests were also artificially hectic in order to get more strain on tech and to root out issues faster
there's also edited set definitely coming, latest test saw a ton of very cool incidents
LauriFBToday at 2:55 PM
"real" experience most likely doesn't include infinite fighters at 2-3 minutes away from the fight, so the feeling will be different albeit action itself may turn hectic fast
when you see a tiny fighter in the horizon it's only maybe 30 seconds and you are next to each other, and cannons blazing all the way, so the fights turn very quickly very hectic
most likely sneaking behind is best tactic, the other never saw what was coming
LauriFBToday at 2:59 PM
I usually crew a gunship with two others and while it happens it's very rare for fighters to take out the whole crew, and so they usually focus on taking down the ship ... and of course gunship is built for that, and can easily sustain hundreds of hits
fighters in the other hand usually get screwed from a few hits, a few dozen at least
but they rely on speed and manouverability, so you just need to know how your vessel works the best
our best fighter pilots, based what I've been watching their flying, know when to disengage
ie. they leave just before the gunship gunner is going to tear them apart
and return 30 seconds later from another angle
LauriFBToday at 3:02 PM
videos will focus on showcasing the experience
we had 30 developers in a tight space with infinite respawns, so you can imagine it was pretty hectic
LauriFBToday at 3:03 PM
well, so many fighters coming at gunship that they collided with each other multiple times
and I shot down several fighters with bazooka since they came too close and just stay there .. hehe
from technical side, our matchmaking server crashed right away since it didn't have enough memory - but that was actually good thing, as the game actually survived that and all players who were connected didn't even notice it. once server came back people who had crashes also rejoined the fight
LauriFBToday at 3:05 PM
gunships are well armored and their generator/propellant area is extra armored
also their generator is arranged in a way that least volatile parts are facing outward
ArtturiFBToday at 3:06 PM
A really interesting thing I observed during the fight was how the differences in the Knight and Spatha's designs affect the way they get destroyed. So many knights got cut in half while spathas often got their stern blown off instead
LauriFBToday at 3:07 PM
hard to tell is that good or bad thing - I saw a lot videos where empire spathas blew up pretty easily
yeah, propellant tank explodes pretty easily
LauriFBToday at 3:07 PM
but it's only small explosion, but fighters have only one or two propellants so they won't fly after that
gunships have so many propellants around that even three of them exploding doesn't stop the ship
LauriFBToday at 3:08 PM
yeah there's some very cool splitting up footages coming ..
LauriFBToday at 2:54 PM
we will release unedited footages from our latest combat tests also, but those tests were also artificially hectic in order to get more strain on tech and to root out issues faster
there's also edited set definitely coming, latest test saw a ton of very cool incidents
LauriFBToday at 2:55 PM
"real" experience most likely doesn't include infinite fighters at 2-3 minutes away from the fight, so the feeling will be different albeit action itself may turn hectic fast
when you see a tiny fighter in the horizon it's only maybe 30 seconds and you are next to each other, and cannons blazing all the way, so the fights turn very quickly very hectic
most likely sneaking behind is best tactic, the other never saw what was coming
LauriFBToday at 2:59 PM
I usually crew a gunship with two others and while it happens it's very rare for fighters to take out the whole crew, and so they usually focus on taking down the ship ... and of course gunship is built for that, and can easily sustain hundreds of hits
fighters in the other hand usually get screwed from a few hits, a few dozen at least
but they rely on speed and manouverability, so you just need to know how your vessel works the best
our best fighter pilots, based what I've been watching their flying, know when to disengage
ie. they leave just before the gunship gunner is going to tear them apart
and return 30 seconds later from another angle
LauriFBToday at 3:02 PM
videos will focus on showcasing the experience
we had 30 developers in a tight space with infinite respawns, so you can imagine it was pretty hectic
LauriFBToday at 3:03 PM
well, so many fighters coming at gunship that they collided with each other multiple times
and I shot down several fighters with bazooka since they came too close and just stay there .. hehe
from technical side, our matchmaking server crashed right away since it didn't have enough memory - but that was actually good thing, as the game actually survived that and all players who were connected didn't even notice it. once server came back people who had crashes also rejoined the fight
LauriFBToday at 3:05 PM
gunships are well armored and their generator/propellant area is extra armored
also their generator is arranged in a way that least volatile parts are facing outward
ArtturiFBToday at 3:06 PM
A really interesting thing I observed during the fight was how the differences in the Knight and Spatha's designs affect the way they get destroyed. So many knights got cut in half while spathas often got their stern blown off instead
LauriFBToday at 3:07 PM
hard to tell is that good or bad thing - I saw a lot videos where empire spathas blew up pretty easily
yeah, propellant tank explodes pretty easily
LauriFBToday at 3:07 PM
but it's only small explosion, but fighters have only one or two propellants so they won't fly after that
gunships have so many propellants around that even three of them exploding doesn't stop the ship
LauriFBToday at 3:08 PM
yeah there's some very cool splitting up footages coming ..
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If they can pull off the damage model correctly you'll have some fairly awesome battle damage post battle, you'll end up with scenarios where you'll be analysing warships and figuring out where ships were hit and still returned to base safely in order to correctly up-armour specific ship compartments.
I love the idea of pouring over a wrecked ship to learn 'how it works'. This is hours of gameplay just learning what made that one faction's ship so difficult to fight. Seeing where all the parts are and learning its strengths and weaknesses. Someone's amazing and rare, closely guarded ship design, if you manage to secure one, you'd haul back to your protected secure Area-51 hangar to study it's advanced technology 
Like battle stress testing haha
Yea, ship designs from different players & factions will be intriguing to see, there will be such a large quantity of them. And then the chance of you managing to kill that well designed ship AND then getting the opportunity to research it I think will be rare. But it would be cool to see something like it
I love the idea of pouring over a wrecked ship to learn 'how it works'. This is hours of gameplay just learning what made that one faction's ship so difficult to fight. Seeing where all the parts are and learning its strengths and weaknesses. Someone's amazing and rare, closely guarded ship design, if you manage to secure one, you'd haul back to your protected secure Area-51 hangar to study it's advanced technology
Self-destructing your own ship becomes a game in itself. Maybe your ship gets disabled in combat; you spend the time to destroy all your YOLOL chips and force your generator to explode so the enemies get nothing of value except the scrap of your hull. The attackers then might race against time, taking extra risks to finish you off before you destroy the valuable intel.
yea.. self-destruction sequences I'm sure will be a thing, nobody wants you to get valuable information on how they're ships work internally with electricity and whats where mainly yolol chips I'm sure people will want to protect.
Things are many ship designs will have features, hidden ones too that no other ship has at least yet until that ship eventually gets taken over.
But it definitely won't be easy to get enough of a ship to research after a battle in any case, either because of self destruction or the battle itself. And the fact that the one ship you may want to research is down but the rest of the fleet you are fighting is not..
Things are many ship designs will have features, hidden ones too that no other ship has at least yet until that ship eventually gets taken over.
But it definitely won't be easy to get enough of a ship to research after a battle in any case, either because of self destruction or the battle itself. And the fact that the one ship you may want to research is down but the rest of the fleet you are fighting is not..
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Well personally i hadn't really felt ship TTK was a problem until this thread. A lot of valuable discussion going on in here and i have learned a lot.
I feel like there are a couple more things that need to be taken into consideration apart from simply armor effectiveness. One of these things is crew size and how it should be connected to ship size. The larger the ship the more crew you will need, since you are a bigger target and thus easier to hit. So if, for example, you have a gunship you can't expect to be 100% effective in combat with it as a solo player. You will need others manning the guns and/or doing repairs with you.
Secondly is that whatever ships you are able to buy when first starting out don't need to be top of the line. Like many other MMOs out there, you can get mediocre stuff from the NPCs but if you want the real good stuff you either make it yourself or you buy it from another player. Heck, buy one of these mediocre ships and make upgrades to it yourself if you don't feel confident designing your own from scratch.
Both these issues can be solved by simply joining a group and not playing solo. "But what about players that only like to play solo?" I hear some of you asking. Well, let's face it. If you make a game where you can do everything alone with the same efficiency as a group, what is the point of groups? Solo players should be able to play the game, but they should also realize there are downsides to it as well.
Same with buying basic ships. Easy to get, cheaper then player made (possibly) but you know what you are getting.
I feel like there are a couple more things that need to be taken into consideration apart from simply armor effectiveness. One of these things is crew size and how it should be connected to ship size. The larger the ship the more crew you will need, since you are a bigger target and thus easier to hit. So if, for example, you have a gunship you can't expect to be 100% effective in combat with it as a solo player. You will need others manning the guns and/or doing repairs with you.
Secondly is that whatever ships you are able to buy when first starting out don't need to be top of the line. Like many other MMOs out there, you can get mediocre stuff from the NPCs but if you want the real good stuff you either make it yourself or you buy it from another player. Heck, buy one of these mediocre ships and make upgrades to it yourself if you don't feel confident designing your own from scratch.
Both these issues can be solved by simply joining a group and not playing solo. "But what about players that only like to play solo?" I hear some of you asking. Well, let's face it. If you make a game where you can do everything alone with the same efficiency as a group, what is the point of groups? Solo players should be able to play the game, but they should also realize there are downsides to it as well.
Same with buying basic ships. Easy to get, cheaper then player made (possibly) but you know what you are getting.
I dont believe there were going to be any more NPC's than the store clerks, but that may have been your reference point.
Solo play will be most definitely possible, it will just be rendered harder unless you want to play solo and play small.. those are the two main things about playing solo, as running a larger ship solo is going to be at the least very difficult. However as I see it this game is meant to be played in a group because of the features of the game making everything more "safe" and approachable in a group, whereas a solo player might get overrun
But you are definetly right, it will be a lot of factors for a ships durability and overall effectivity, crew, and size being major parts of that.
Solo play will be most definitely possible, it will just be rendered harder unless you want to play solo and play small.. those are the two main things about playing solo, as running a larger ship solo is going to be at the least very difficult. However as I see it this game is meant to be played in a group because of the features of the game making everything more "safe" and approachable in a group, whereas a solo player might get overrun
But you are definetly right, it will be a lot of factors for a ships durability and overall effectivity, crew, and size being major parts of that.
Our current damage model is far from complete, and currently we are not balancing damage/armor but testing the extreme cases. Balacing is coming later.
Our tests now are artificially bloated fights, as that's tecnically most challenging (a lot of shooting, a lot of damage, a lot of ships in a small space, infinite spawns very close to fighting area etc.). A lot of damage is also the most challenging technically speaking, so for current tests that's good, but it shouldn't be taken as any indication of the final experience. Also I doubt our tactics of "lets rush straight to the fire since we have free new ships" is the one players will be using, which also plays big part with the damage (the accuracy of turrets is not that great from any longer distances).
For avoiding damage there's already one very good tactic: keep your eyes open and have the fastest ship on the sector. That recipe can be spiced up by being experienced flying inside asteroid field (or have some automation for that), as chasing someone inside the asteroid field is very dangerous and it's also easy to lose visual contact inside there. I'm sure players will come up with a lot more tactics as well.
Our goal is to support all kinds of ship designs to support all play styles, and since the space is vast there should be room for everyone.
Our tests now are artificially bloated fights, as that's tecnically most challenging (a lot of shooting, a lot of damage, a lot of ships in a small space, infinite spawns very close to fighting area etc.). A lot of damage is also the most challenging technically speaking, so for current tests that's good, but it shouldn't be taken as any indication of the final experience. Also I doubt our tactics of "lets rush straight to the fire since we have free new ships" is the one players will be using, which also plays big part with the damage (the accuracy of turrets is not that great from any longer distances).
For avoiding damage there's already one very good tactic: keep your eyes open and have the fastest ship on the sector
. That recipe can be spiced up by being experienced flying inside asteroid field (or have some automation for that), as chasing someone inside the asteroid field is very dangerous and it's also easy to lose visual contact inside there. I'm sure players will come up with a lot more tactics as well.Our goal is to support all kinds of ship designs to support all play styles, and since the space is vast there should be room for everyone.
Our current damage model is far from complete, and currently we are not balancing damage/armor but testing the extreme cases. Balacing is coming later.
Our tests now are artificially bloated fights, as that's tecnically most challenging (a lot of shooting, a lot of damage, a lot of ships in a small space, infinite spawns very close to fighting area etc.). A lot of damage is also the most challenging technically speaking, so for current tests that's good, but it shouldn't be taken as any indication of the final experience. Also I doubt our tactics of "lets rush straight to the fire since we have free new ships" is the one players will be using, which also plays big part with the damage (the accuracy of turrets is not that great from any longer distances).
For avoiding damage there's already one very good tactic: keep your eyes open and have the fastest ship on the sector. That recipe can be spiced up by being experienced flying inside asteroid field (or have some automation for that), as chasing someone inside the asteroid field is very dangerous and it's also easy to lose visual contact inside there. I'm sure players will come up with a lot more tactics as well.
Our goal is to support all kinds of ship designs to support all play styles, and since the space is vast there should be room for everyone.
Our tests now are artificially bloated fights, as that's tecnically most challenging (a lot of shooting, a lot of damage, a lot of ships in a small space, infinite spawns very close to fighting area etc.). A lot of damage is also the most challenging technically speaking, so for current tests that's good, but it shouldn't be taken as any indication of the final experience. Also I doubt our tactics of "lets rush straight to the fire since we have free new ships" is the one players will be using, which also plays big part with the damage (the accuracy of turrets is not that great from any longer distances).
For avoiding damage there's already one very good tactic: keep your eyes open and have the fastest ship on the sector
. That recipe can be spiced up by being experienced flying inside asteroid field (or have some automation for that), as chasing someone inside the asteroid field is very dangerous and it's also easy to lose visual contact inside there. I'm sure players will come up with a lot more tactics as well.Our goal is to support all kinds of ship designs to support all play styles, and since the space is vast there should be room for everyone.
I'm glad you are going to support all types of different ship designs allowing players to play out their personal preference of playstyle. It will be cool to see what they come up with then.
I'm curious as to what tactics players will take utilizing their playstyles too. But I figured long-range combat would not be too viable due to accuracy as you mentioned. Although there is a lot of talks about making such crafts. Exciting
