Piracy and Thievery
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Nop the small tribes tryin to pull up on the big alliances will get slapped around, and u can build stations just not at launch and u cant build ships without a station so those small groups will have to build a permanenet base which can be bombarded to oblivision. Even if small groups base in the safe zone thats even worse cuz what they gon do if the enemy is 5-6 hours away?
Interesting thread .... seems to have a few Atlas big bois here. In my opinion they are partially what caused the current failure that is Atlas. So many of the big clans had a join or die mentality. The solo players and smaller clans just simply didn't have a chance against them. Grape Shot readily accommodated this thinking with easy to attack and difficult to defend mechanics. Factor in the taming/breeding, blue print, character level bonuses and unless you had many, many people out farming SOTD ships and treasure maps you quite simply had no chance against even a single ship or player. Nothing like getting a head shot and moving someones health bar a miniscule amount due to their health bonuses and mythic armor. They turn around and hit you with their mythic carbine and your dead. Zero chance. Ships are the same, massive cannon bonuses, plank bonuses, sail bonuses and ship levels make it silly to fight. RUN FOREST ........ not so fast as you have just been harpooned and are unable to move while they finish you off. Atlas has completely lost the "skill" aspect of PvP, it's all about gear and levels.
My point is the power gap between new players, solos, small clans and the big bois is so substantial in Atlas it makes the game not fun. Makes it impossible to defend yourself and what is yours. I do hope Starbase does not follow this mentality and keeps the small clan/solo players in mind when implementing game mechanics.
My point is the power gap between new players, solos, small clans and the big bois is so substantial in Atlas it makes the game not fun. Makes it impossible to defend yourself and what is yours. I do hope Starbase does not follow this mentality and keeps the small clan/solo players in mind when implementing game mechanics.
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That's what I've been arguing, if you don't take solo and new player expirence into account the game will fail. If you let it devolve into complete anarchy and piracy only the largest groups will prevail until they have nothing left to cannibalize but themselves and then they'll quit. Look at Atlas/Worlds Adrift/Starmade/Emperyion.
Attitudes like this are why games die tbh.
If you don't cater to your solo, new, and small group players to some degree, your game dries up. The few dozen hardcore fans posting on the forums here shouldn't give you a false impression of how the game should logically develop and hopefully the devs won't take it to heart.
If you don't cater to your solo, new, and small group players to some degree, your game dries up. The few dozen hardcore fans posting on the forums here shouldn't give you a false impression of how the game should logically develop and hopefully the devs won't take it to heart.
Look at EVE/Rust/Ark.
I agree that new player experience needs to be decent. Starbase addresses that, heavily. Theres a 3 hour radius fully safe zone around starter areas, and the 2 main dev factions have a natural, game-guided place for solos. There will be missions to expand Empire and Kindom territory outside of and bordering the safe zones. These will naturally provide safety in numbers to a multitude of solos, allowing them to ease naturally out of full safeness into the equivalent of low-security space.
Most of the big groups will position themselves far from the safezones, claiming whatever territory they consider most valuable.
Starbase is already doing more than enough to address new player and solo experiences being potentially too harsh or unforgiving.
I agree that new player experience needs to be decent. Starbase addresses that, heavily. Theres a 3 hour radius fully safe zone around starter areas, and the 2 main dev factions have a natural, game-guided place for solos. There will be missions to expand Empire and Kindom territory outside of and bordering the safe zones. These will naturally provide safety in numbers to a multitude of solos, allowing them to ease naturally out of full safeness into the equivalent of low-security space.
Most of the big groups will position themselves far from the safezones, claiming whatever territory they consider most valuable.
Starbase is already doing more than enough to address new player and solo experiences being potentially too harsh or unforgiving.
Human beings are, in a way, specialized machines at finding ways to exploit/profit from every situation.
Just wait until we reach Early Access
It's nice seeing devs tackling those problems early on,
but most probably, that will not be enough.
I'm just wondering, how organized will the Empire & Kingdom be if they fill the roles of PUGs? (Pickup group)
I just hope we avoid "fragmentation" of factions for as long as possible.
Else the game will become too complicated for the average player, and slowly steer towards "Shoot-on-sight" survival gameplay.
Just wait until we reach Early Access
It's nice seeing devs tackling those problems early on,
but most probably, that will not be enough.
I'm just wondering, how organized will the Empire & Kingdom be if they fill the roles of PUGs? (Pickup group)
I just hope we avoid "fragmentation" of factions for as long as possible.
Else the game will become too complicated for the average player, and slowly steer towards "Shoot-on-sight" survival gameplay.
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Human beings are, in a way, specialized machines at finding ways to exploit/profit from every situation.
Just wait until we reach Early Access
It's nice seeing devs to tackle those problems early on,
but most probably, that will not be enough.
I'm just wondering, how organized will the Empire & Kingdom be if they fill the roles of PUGs?
I just hope we avoid "fragmentation" of factions for as long as possible.
Else the game will become too complicated for the average player, and slowly steer towards "Shoot-on-sight" survival gameplay.
Just wait until we reach Early Access
It's nice seeing devs to tackle those problems early on,
but most probably, that will not be enough.
I'm just wondering, how organized will the Empire & Kingdom be if they fill the roles of PUGs?
I just hope we avoid "fragmentation" of factions for as long as possible.
Else the game will become too complicated for the average player, and slowly steer towards "Shoot-on-sight" survival gameplay.
Not at all. Empire and Kingdom are already heavily tied to game lore, marketing, social media engagement, and most importantly, they are not NPCs. They will be led and organized by humans. Empire will be led by the CEO and Kingdom by another one of the higher-ups.
Could they end up not fulfilling their purpose? Sure. But a direct comparison to the default NPC corps from EVE is simply a terrible comparison.
Could they end up not fulfilling their purpose? Sure. But a direct comparison to the default NPC corps from EVE is simply a terrible comparison.
Yeah, I'm aware of the pitch. Enter EVE 2003 -- literally the same thing. If you think a couple default factions, even if lead by a dev, are going to end in anything but hilarity and tears pretty much from the onset, boy do I have news for you lol
It's a completely valid comparison because they're the same thing, serve a similar function, and as the default, will not work for the same reason EVE NPC corps don't work. There is no incentive for players to work together, no quality control, no vetting, no enforced rules or doctrines, and no real reason for any player to pull together with another.
It's a completely valid comparison because they're the same thing, serve a similar function, and as the default, will not work for the same reason EVE NPC corps don't work. There is no incentive for players to work together, no quality control, no vetting, no enforced rules or doctrines, and no real reason for any player to pull together with another.
If the devs lead the factions that will be cheatin cuz they got inside info on whats gon be released next and gon hav advantage over the other factions, especially how the devs think about spawnin items to give them to a police force made out of players that will get exploited so bad its gon turn into kit donation force.
A potential for abuse does not mean that abuse is guaranteed. Also, this is not particularly different than if it were NPC led, as the devs control the NPCs.
And this isnt different than the potential abuse that any devs actively playing the game would pose anyway.
Ultimately, the potential benefits of devs actively seeing the issues, bugs, and potential for improvements firsthand by playing the game heavily outweigh the everpresent potential for dev abuse.
And this isnt different than the potential abuse that any devs actively playing the game would pose anyway.
Ultimately, the potential benefits of devs actively seeing the issues, bugs, and potential for improvements firsthand by playing the game heavily outweigh the everpresent potential for dev abuse.